tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30608643.post6384437786705028569..comments2023-10-15T08:43:40.296-04:00Comments on zamphir panflutemaster: A Day of Remembrance: Norm Stylecrsehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05938033455038715980noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30608643.post-27813347347234531812007-09-16T12:21:00.000-04:002007-09-16T12:21:00.000-04:00Heavens. I don't think I've ever read a blog post ...Heavens. I don't think I've ever read a blog post as carefully as this one.<BR/>I've never thought about telling kids this, I suppose because I'm not<BR/>a mum and if I was telling someone in simple terms, it's something <BR/>that happened to the Americans. Obviously for you, you'd be saying<BR/>"it's something that happened to us, our country". That said, it<BR/>doesn't take a lot of thought or empathy on my part to be shocked at <BR/>the principle. Explaining recent and unjust large-scale death is<BR/>something you ought to have been allowed to do. Norm's a clever and<BR/>kind hearted little poppet from reading his wee blog and your blog,<BR/>and I think it's something the school should have left for you. <BR/>Telling them en masse is inappropriate. There ought to have been<BR/>interaction. Do you know, I only 'know' Norm from you and his 'ask<BR/>norm' thing, but I'm pissed off on your behalf.<BR/>I think you handled it very well, for what it's worth (from a 25 year <BR/>old nonparent that can't be terribly meaningful! That is, I like to<BR/>think I would handle it that was if I was thrust into that situation).crsehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05938033455038715980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30608643.post-4520967635890841552007-09-16T12:20:00.000-04:002007-09-16T12:20:00.000-04:00Heavens. I don't think I've ever read a blog post ...Heavens. I don't think I've ever read a blog post as carefully as this one.<BR/>I've never thought about telling kids this, I suppose because I'm not<BR/>a mum and if I was telling someone in simple terms, it's something <BR/>that happened to the Americans. Obviously for you, you'd be saying<BR/>"it's something that happened to us, our country". That said, it<BR/>doesn't take a lot of thought or empathy on my part to be shocked at <BR/>the principle. Explaining recent and unjust large-scale death is<BR/>something you ought to have been allowed to do. Norm's a clever and<BR/>kind hearted little poppet from reading his wee blog and your blog,<BR/>and I think it's something the school should have left for you. <BR/>Telling them en masse is inappropriate. There ought to have been<BR/>interaction. Do you know, I only 'know' Norm from you and his 'ask<BR/>norm' thing, but I'm pissed off on your behalf.<BR/>I think you handled it very well, for what it's worth (from a 25 year <BR/>old nonparent that can't be terribly meaningful! That is, I like to<BR/>think I would handle it that was if I was thrust into that situation).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30608643.post-61447326389989678822007-09-15T17:06:00.000-04:002007-09-15T17:06:00.000-04:00Have I mentioned that I love that picture. It's ju...Have I mentioned that I love that picture. It's just too flipping cute :)The Mistress of the Darkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16923975714269274370noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30608643.post-62309205048183572892007-09-15T11:40:00.000-04:002007-09-15T11:40:00.000-04:00I'm late to the commenting, but all I can add is m...I'm late to the commenting, but all I can add is my own, belligerent, WTF??? Thank god there are good parents like you out there who might possibly counter the hideousness of some school administrators... But I am so sorry you've had to deal with this!!!Margarethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03047700345491098393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30608643.post-62691440758800620992007-09-14T20:58:00.000-04:002007-09-14T20:58:00.000-04:00I am just flitting by to say how much I have MISSE...I am just flitting by to say how much I have MISSED YOU, WOMAN!<BR/><BR/>I intend to lock my family out of the house for an entire day so I can catch up on all the crse I have missed--and that's a lot!<BR/><BR/>My goal? To leave comments on each and every post I have missed. That might require alcohol fortification, so if the comments become increasingly inteligible, I know you'll understand.<BR/><BR/>Miss you! Be back soon!Pippajohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07651166001450622296noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30608643.post-20276792881604116442007-09-14T12:57:00.000-04:002007-09-14T12:57:00.000-04:00Oh wow, I can't believe they did that to those lit...Oh wow, I can't believe they did that to those little guys. I'm so sorry you and he had to go through that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30608643.post-88901675294289348872007-09-14T11:58:00.000-04:002007-09-14T11:58:00.000-04:00Oh sweet Lord... I agree, WTF???I'm of the "Let th...Oh sweet Lord... I agree, WTF???<BR/><BR/>I'm of the "Let the parents take care of instilling fear and a good foundation of neurosis" camp. I mean really, if I want my child to be terrified, i would like for it to happen in the comfort of her own home. Is that so wrong?<BR/><BR/>Seriously though, why introduce an idea that is beyond a child's age appropriateness... not to mention comprehension.<BR/><BR/>Maybe k-2nd grade (at the very least) should have been excused from this announcement?<BR/><BR/>I am open to discuss anything with my child as long as I think she is ready, and/or if she brings it up in conversation.Maryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14740023628746877368noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30608643.post-22690038442524381442007-09-12T16:08:00.000-04:002007-09-12T16:08:00.000-04:00Crse--this so happened to us two years ago, and I ...Crse--this so happened to us two years ago, and I was pretty pissed. I'm so sorry that Norm and you had to go through that. There's a reason we didn't have CNN on at our house yesterday, but apparently, these difficult conversations aren't to be left up to the family. There was also a lot of 9/11 talk in Mira's classroom yesterday, but, like I said, we dealt with the shock of it two years ago when she was in Kindergarten. She was so confused, she referred to the WTC as the "entertainment center." Clearly, five and six year olds aren't ready for the finer points.<BR/><BR/>Listen to what your favorite principal, A.C., had our kids do yesterday--effing lock down drill! This involves locking doors, turning out lights, and getting under desks in case terrorists or armed maniacs come and take over the school. I find it harm to believe that the timing of this drill was accidental. Way to go, A.C.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30608643.post-13501569302736734402007-09-12T14:55:00.000-04:002007-09-12T14:55:00.000-04:00Now see ... this is what I'm talking about. Only ...Now see ... this is what I'm talking about. Only a fuckwit school administrator would think this is a good idea. Can't they at least wait until the kids are in 5th or 6th grade before they begin the "be afraid" indoctrination process? <BR/><BR/>Around here there lots and lots of people who home school their kids. 99% of them do so because "God has been taken out of the schools" or they don't want them taught evolution. If I had kids I would home school them to get them away from the gov't propaganda like this shit! <BR/><BR/>You handled it much better than I would have.Jayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17134850383532818765noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30608643.post-25327518245617716512007-09-12T12:58:00.000-04:002007-09-12T12:58:00.000-04:00that is a wee bit different than the approach of m...that is a wee bit different than the approach of my daughter's school ON 9/11--she was in first grade, i frantically called the school at like 9:45 to come get her, they encouraged me not to. they didn't want to panic the kids and since it was sufficiently out of immediate harms way, they asked parents to try to let the day go as normal. then they sent home a memo about what was said to what grade level (not very much, as i recall, we spoke about it ourselves quite a bit though). for the rest of the year she had excessive anxiety and nightmares, talked about it, etc. but we spoke about it whenever she wanted to and it seemed to help.<BR/><BR/>norm's school: i'm impressed by the kindness of the lunch lady, only a wee bit more than your own kindness, but WTF, i would go to the school and demand in my most angry voice imaginable WHY they chose to do this with young children, not capable of historical or analytical contextualizing (i'm sure he's scared a building will come down today), and especially, that they did so without speaking to parents.<BR/><BR/>fuck that. yuk principal. of course, gb is sage--at least it is a faux pax rather than a life-threatening lesson.<BR/><BR/>adorable child you have!gwoertendykehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00542058287462910446noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30608643.post-17923781352012291812007-09-12T12:52:00.000-04:002007-09-12T12:52:00.000-04:00Holy crap. That is so freaking wrong. (Also freaki...Holy crap. That is so freaking wrong. (Also freaking hilarious. Dude, you were talking to the Lunch Lady.) I mean, look at that picture of Norm up there...that is not a boy that should be traumatized by maroons. Poor Norm. I'm thinking kindergarten isn't living up to his all-day-dancing expectations. <BR/><BR/>But this: "cakes are always a nice expression of the hopeless void of an illogical and unjust universe"--is brilliant.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30608643.post-40400740343408627942007-09-12T12:31:00.000-04:002007-09-12T12:31:00.000-04:00Dude, that is a handful and you rock. I take some...Dude, that is a handful and you rock. I take some solace though in the fact that our kids in the U.S. (and Canada) learn about the reality of war and terrorism from jack-ass principals rather than the sound of shelling and car bombs outside the door. Could be a whole lot worse. But that sucks nonetheless, and I wholeheartedly agree that a memo should have been sent.<BR/><BR/>On a lighter note, I thought this sentence is stand alone brilliant: "Much better to let them struggle with their first realization that the world is a cold and bitter place completely devoid of justice. Well because that wont involve new memos about color week."<BR/><BR/>One final question, was Grammie "greenie" or "spottie"? I keed! Jeez, that was just wrong. I'm sorry Grammy! (*No need to visit.)Gospel Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03092209232700317352noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30608643.post-64097622701506325642007-09-12T10:18:00.000-04:002007-09-12T10:18:00.000-04:00So the chain of command isSecretary then up to Lun...So the chain of command is<BR/><BR/>Secretary then up to Lunch Lady then at the top is Principal? Where do Custodian and Crossing Guard fit in??? Do you live in Crazy Town by any chance?MrRyanOhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00607621271037613315noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30608643.post-8915988473000640152007-09-12T09:39:00.000-04:002007-09-12T09:39:00.000-04:00Oh, man, I'd be sooo pissed off!! Corwin is very s...Oh, man, I'd be sooo pissed off!! Corwin is very similar in that he is sensitive to this sort of death talk and thinks about it for a long, long time with random questions coming up for days. Thankfully we haven't had to deal with 9/11 in a big way (I don't think it's been mentioned at school), but I remember in jk when he heard about a child killed when she was hit by a train and we spent hours talking about it . . . for several days it came up. At least it wasn't the teacher who brought it up (just a girl in his class). <BR/><BR/>I agree completely with everyone when they say that a memo should have gone home. And I honestly think that the kindergarten kids should have missed the assembly and just had brown day.Canadahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16796690909739634912noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30608643.post-58353030771879489872007-09-12T09:29:00.000-04:002007-09-12T09:29:00.000-04:00I think this is EXACTLY the situation to go into f...I think this is EXACTLY the situation to go into full CRSE mode. I'd go the office with a thermos full of coffee and wait that principle out. <BR/>If the school is going to introduce 9/11 to the kinders, the memo that should have gone out should also have offered suggestions for talks on the subject. I have no idea what I would say to Little O.Jennfactor 10https://www.blogger.com/profile/10945088220058417541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30608643.post-4436434362256334762007-09-12T08:48:00.000-04:002007-09-12T08:48:00.000-04:00WTF??? Five year olds don't need that much detail,...WTF??? Five year olds don't need that much detail, particularly sensitive little guys like Norm. I don't think this was addressed in my 6 yo's ASD room or his kindergarten room, but then again I don't really know because he doesn't relate his day very well. Geez, now I'm concerned.<BR/><BR/>That's the type of thing where the school should have sent a memo home, at the very least. The <I>very</I> least.Bunnyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12955817346800123054noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30608643.post-49088665426566444252007-09-12T07:30:00.000-04:002007-09-12T07:30:00.000-04:00GAH! It's bad enough I had nightmares for weeks af...GAH! It's bad enough I had nightmares for weeks after 9/11 do they have to give them to kids that will have no real understanding of them. Crikey.The Mistress of the Darkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16923975714269274370noreply@blogger.com